Fwd: [bangla-vision] RE: Ali, r.a., and Aga Khan: No connection. RE: RETURN--RE: It is Aliyy and Aliyy and Aliyy....as an Light (in his Luminosity)(NOORAN MUBEEN) !

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From: kaukab siddique <butshikan@msn.com>
Date: Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 11:05 AM
Subject: [bangla-vision] RE: Ali, r.a., and Aga Khan: No connection. RE: RETURN--RE: It is Aliyy and Aliyy and Aliyy....as an Light (in his Luminosity)(NOORAN MUBEEN) !

 

Aga Khan in education and economics is also supporting the enemies of Islam.

Ali. r.a., never supported Kuffar in education or economics either.

So there is no connection between Ali, r.a., and Aga Khan.

Aga khan is a close friend of Israel, the occupation armies and the tyrants.

It is blasphemy to claim that he has a connection with Ali, r.a.

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Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2010 09:47:18 +0500
Subject: Re: Ali, r.a., and Aga Khan: No connection. RE: RETURN--RE: It is Aliyy and Aliyy and Aliyy....as an Light (in his Luminosity)(NOORAN MUBEEN) !
From: yasirkhan21@gmail.com
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What is fighting with the Kuffar ????

is it like 14 centuries ago drawing swords against each other???
now is the time of education economics..  Aga Khan is doing just that Helping the islamic world get on their own feet by helping them with micro finance education health care improving the life of millions....

What you people have done ???? creating suicide bombers  name one scientist created by Wahabis. Name one contributor to the human kind ...

You cannot get domination just by fighting... this is not 5th century  now a days you need to be an economic power.. what about Malaysia y it cannot be bullied because it is strong economically.

Shah Karim is doing what Maula Ali would have done what prophet Muhammad PBUH has done in his time ... He brought education he brought knowledge which opened up with the mind of the people of that time..

Prophet PBUH was Savior of the humanity. Humanity doesn't talk about east west north south. Humanity has nothing to do with beard humanity has nothing to do with a particular dress. Humanity is about working for the humanity living in peace prospering ... Islam has only allowed fighting if you are attacked and there are also conditions that apply ..NO aggression is allowed.

Was UBL attack justified ???
What ever taliban & Al Qaida doing in Pakistan Afghanistan Iraq Somalia Indonesia India doing is justified ???

You have a sectarian mind set and you cannot open up your eyes...you are just like Yazid and muaiwiya who were unable to see above there Umayud ancestry

On Mon, Aug 2, 2010 at 10:50 PM, kaukab siddique <butshikan@msn.com> wrote:

Zina Khan [fake name] has a good question.
 
Ali, r.a. under the command of the Prophet, pbuh, fought against the kuffar.
 
During the Caliphate of Usman, r.a., he was surrounded by the murderers of Usman, r.a. Even then his sons, Hasan, r.a., and Husain, r.a., defended Usman, r.a., with swords drawn.
 
The tragedies which befell Muslims in the battles of Jamal, Siffin etc were battles between Muslims.
Ali, r.a., never claimed that Ameer Muawiyya was a Kafir. In fact his son, Hasan, r.a., cried at the tragedy of the battles and advised Ali, r.a., not to fight. Later he accepted Ameer Muawiyya as Caliph and did BA'IT on his hand.
 
Ali, r.a., was horrified by the murders of Talha, r.a., and Zubair, r.a., by people who claimed to be Ali', r.a.'s followers. Also, he showed the greatest possible respect to Ayesha, r.a., after the battle of Jamal.
 
So, it is true that Ali's, r.a., battlefield initiatives were only against the kuffar.
 
In fact, one of his wives was a woman who was captured by Khalid, ibn al-Waleed, r.a., an ummayad, who gave the girl to Ali, r.a. and he married her.
 
Aga Khan is supporting ALL the imperialist and zionist forces, as well as tyrants like Mubarak of Egypt and Abdullah of Jordan. 
 
So it is, Ali, r.a., Ali, r.a., but it has nothing to do with Ismailis. These Ismailis DO NOT FIGHT the kuffar.
 

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Date: Sun, 1 Aug 2010 20:28:32 -0700

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Date: Sun, 1 Aug 2010 09:21:39 -0700
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Subject: It is Aliyy and Aliyy and Aliyy....as an Light (in his Luminosity)(NOORAN MUBEEN) !
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Now you say that Aliyy used to fight against  "Kuffars"....isn't it true that he fought even against those so called "pious"muslims who had rebelled against him when he was the Caliph and they were well known muslims from your own ancestry and cult....do you want me to name them?

 

So now are you saying or publicly conceding that they were kuffars based on your own premise that Aliyy fought against kuffars  ?

 

Kaukab, Please repeat it again so all can hear it loudly and clearly ... This is what you said...."Ali, r.a., fought against the kuffar and NEVER compromised with them..."

 

Most of you are polytheists - you all have a fetish for physical concepts and appearances - being exoteric, you do not have any capability of knowing beyond your lower literalist level....

 

You are good at scratching your clean shaven groins and fondling your unkempt beards...

 

Islam forbids physical pursuits or distinctions amongst or between the Prophets and/or Imams....

 

It is only Aliyy (as)....it is Aliyy and ONLY Aliyy all the way....Aliyy is BOTH the Hidden and the Manifest !....

 

It is Aliyy and Aliyy and Aliyy....as an Light (in his Luminosity)(NOORAN MUBEEN) ! the Radiant Light !  the Nur e Imamah ! the Rope !

 

You are identifying yourselves with the Outward - the bulbs and their colours and the switches ! and obsessed with names and numbers and geneology etc etc !

 

Allah has never allowed you this luxury....as that is Polythesism...the NOORAN MUBEEN has no geneology...it is from the ESSENCE (Dhat)...Allah guides unto HIS NOOR whomsoever HE Wills...

 

"Lo ! they plot a plot and WE Plot a Plot "....

 

Muslims were facing Jerusalem before and they did this for almost 16 months....

 

Allah said now face Kaaba....apart from it being the ancient mosque, it is Aliyy(as) birthplace and thus a holy shrine....that is the Intercession of Aliyy now for you all ....face it daily ! and circum ambulate it ! You have no choice ! and don't worry whether Karim Aga Khan is Aliyy or not....it is none of your business as you guys have betrayed Imamat altogether - even Aliyy's Imamat ! and so is there any point to even discuss any respective Imamat? None !

 

I am waiting to hear from you Sir and to know whether all whom Aliyy fought were Kuffars including the pious ones from your cult, as per your own statement !

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On Sat, Jul 31, 2010 at 8:37 PM, kaukab siddique <butshikan@msn.com> wrote:

The claim that Aga Khan is an imam or a follower of Ali, r.a., falls down if we compare Aga Khan with Ali, r.a.
 
Ali, r.a., fought against the kuffar and NEVER compromised with them.
 
Aga Khan has NEVER spoken against the kuffar.
 
In fact he is their greatest friend.
 
On what basis can Aga Khan be called imam or follower of Ali, r.a.?
 

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